tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post7030891460544360809..comments2023-10-31T10:36:24.845-05:00Comments on K12 Reformer - Mike Reno: Dual Enrollment... Put it on your radarMike Renohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02321695059501190325noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-55907571842757685692007-11-07T08:07:00.000-05:002007-11-07T08:07:00.000-05:00I agree with pulling for the topic reasons.I do wa...I agree with pulling for the topic reasons.<BR/><BR/>I do want to discuss the DE and my AP proposal. The AP discussion will happen after I hear back from several local high tech suppliers that are an essential part of the package. <BR/><BR/>The buisnesses have hardware to invest and the two schools have labs until we can get our own going. This is the DE side of this new topic.<BR/><BR/>I am not prepared to say what it is but it is not automotive or robots.<BR/><BR/>I think you do have my email. It has not changed. I strongly dissagree with the unfounded inuendo statement. I am certianly not alone out here in my beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-18835145560839477662007-11-07T01:37:00.000-05:002007-11-07T01:37:00.000-05:00I deleted the post above because it had nothing to...I deleted the post above because it had nothing to do with the topic.<BR/><BR/>It contained interesting, but debatable points on the 2007 Rochester School board election, but also contained unfounded inuendo that I don't feel obligated to keep on my blog.<BR/><BR/>If I had your email, Marty, I'd respond directly to you.Mike Renohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321695059501190325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-80196135771847427982007-11-01T22:13:00.000-05:002007-11-01T22:13:00.000-05:00Here's an interesting blog that addresses dual enr...Here's an interesting blog that addresses dual enrollment, or as it's called on the blog, "concurrent enrollment":<BR/><BR/>http://concurrentenrollment.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>Loads of info...Mike Renohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321695059501190325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-79905052782212566132007-10-28T19:34:00.000-05:002007-10-28T19:34:00.000-05:00Good insight Clay. I will remember the "jobs" asp...Good insight Clay. I will remember the "jobs" aspect as I press forward.<BR/><BR/>However; I intend to let the teachers believe that this is their program both in Rochester schools and at OU and OCC nearby.<BR/><BR/>It could reduce class size too down to the contracted levels and therefore no reduction in force would ever be a problem.<BR/><BR/>Further; some universities look at AP credit and then strong-arm the student into taking the material over again. <BR/><BR/>Here with DE the university credit is earned and is transferrable without the jaundiced eye.<BR/><BR/>Again the ideas I want to put forth will need lab space that only a university can provide right now.<BR/><BR/>I hope to get local high tech to help at one of our High Schools for a pilot.<BR/><BR/>If the program (bait) is nice enough, somebody high up will claim the idea for themselves and the program will go forward.<BR/><BR/>I will just be one of the little people that help make it go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-34807487355063943192007-10-28T18:44:00.000-05:002007-10-28T18:44:00.000-05:00As an administrator in two small, rural districts ...As an administrator in two small, rural districts in Northern Michigan, I viewed Dual Enrollment as a valuable educational opportunity for our students, whose curricular choices were by necessity limited because of our size. As long as students met the requirements set by the state for eligibility ((MEAP proficiency) and as long as the courses they wished to take met state requirements (academic courses not offered by the school), we strongly encouraged students to consider DE courses at the local community or four-year college. (In advance, according to the regulations, they had to indicate whether they were taking the courses for both high school and college credit or just for college credit.)<BR/><BR/>We met tremendous resistance -- from teachers, who, whether in private conversations or in classroom discussion or in conversations with parents who were friends and/or relatives, (at the instigation of the of the MEA, I believe) almost universally discouraged kids. They also discouraged kids from taking course work at the area Career Tech Center (sponsored by a neighboring district) and from being involved in Less Than Class Size vocational experiences, which we worked very hard to establish to give our kids more educational opportunities. Why the discouragement?<BR/><BR/>Fear of loss of jobs. In other words, the more contact hours students spent out of the district, the fewer students were in the high school building to be taught. Their concern was that at a certain point that might cost a job or two.<BR/><BR/>As a School of Choice school, our reaction was to tout our development and fostering of such educational opportunities in the media, so that our enrollment actually held rather steady or even grew -- at the expense of neighboring districts. This, of course, did not assuage the feelings of the MEA, as they were all part of the same Uniserv region, and so many of the teachers in the area districts were either related or friends. My position was that, in addition to those opportunies being good for students, 5/7th of an FTE was better than 0/0 of an FTE. And it worked for us.<BR/><BR/>But, in short, the educational interests and needs of students were subverted by the bunker mentality of the MEA. (By the way, I believe that school districts are still required by law to inform all student families of Dual Enrollment possibilities early in their high school career.)<BR/><BR/>Administration can be guilty of dissuading students in ways other than making them jump through hooops. One superintendent I am aware of subtly implied to the entire community that DE was only for special students, when at a public meeting he touted DE as the capstone of the district's Gifted and Talented program, not suited for everyone. (By the way, he was a former Uniserv director!)<BR/><BR/>In short, personal experience is that the union is the greatest obstacle to Dual Enrollment. It could impact jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-77312664358339908222007-10-28T18:23:00.000-05:002007-10-28T18:23:00.000-05:00Rocester has had this in a slightly different form...Rocester has had this in a slightly different form in the past.<BR/><BR/>During the mid 90s I attended OCC and OU with a few (very few) Rochester High Junior and Senior students. They attended the 6 to 10 pm four (4) credit classes. These were tough for college students and I was amazed at how hard these high school kids worked.<BR/><BR/>I want to know what we do now and I have some proposals for this district regarding exactly this topic.<BR/><BR/>So far the administrators, superintendant, and board members I have talked to like some of my concepts.<BR/><BR/>It's all AP and even more rigorous. However since this site and other blogs paint me as "watered down" I'm not putting my ideas down here.<BR/><BR/>I will state that they are timely and a bonus for Rochester, Oakland County, and Michigan.<BR/><BR/>When I make the formal presentation to the board I hope thay grab it and run with NO pushing required.<BR/><BR/>I have made my own network contacts with Oakland University Engineering professors and I will be making early inquiry toward several Rochester Hills and other Automation Alley buisnesses.<BR/><BR/>This concept will sell itself and it will pull many more kids into advanced science.<BR/><BR/>I promise that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com