tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post8147708562640966441..comments2023-10-31T10:36:24.845-05:00Comments on K12 Reformer - Mike Reno: $13 Billion is not enough?Mike Renohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02321695059501190325noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-50664216450968238632013-05-09T17:58:06.681-05:002013-05-09T17:58:06.681-05:00"Swipe""Swipe"kris wilderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02054367869353131610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-62226567147715956962008-08-14T21:59:00.000-05:002008-08-14T21:59:00.000-05:00WoW! Deadbeats, Prozac, and pet food; Interestin...WoW! Deadbeats, Prozac, and pet food; Interesting and disturbing text.<BR/><BR/>You all missed a few good points.<BR/><BR/>First: The article did take a little bit of an unfounded swipe at all day kindergarden kind of, sort of. <BR/><BR/>The article actually said that it would cost districts more money when implemented and it will. It will cost more in hiring more teachers and building more classrooms. It's a simple situation. We will need more resources of human and physical capital than we currently have.<BR/><BR/>Just a fact here and some explaination, not a "swipe". :-)<BR/><BR/>Second: Mr. Reno is also right on that we already pay full Foundation Grant for every half day student. But Mike sweety, did it merit that rant in the Eccentric? We all know this. But we need so much more to go on than the "it wouldn't hurt" reason to push hard for the all day implementation. How about some of that "unfunded" data? Will that convince me? :-)<BR/><BR/>I actually like the all day idea but I am concerned about the classrooms we will have to add/build and the teachers we will have to transfer/hire. They are'nt free and I don't want any more portables in the district. EVER! Nor will I accept larger class sizes in order to implement it. Tough parameters are'nt they?<BR/><BR/>Third: What about Rose's comment and the court rulings mentioned in the original article? <BR/><BR/>Someone please explain to me why the violation of the State Constitution is EVER acceptable. Duh!<BR/><BR/>Please explain why the little swipe is such a big deal when compared to the number of law suits filed over the years just to get the state to fund things already required by law. Duh^2!<BR/><BR/>Those law suits cost me and you, the tax payers, and they only benefit the lawyers. Talk about wasted money that NEVER goes into a classroom. Duh^3! <BR/><BR/>There are many undisputible facts out here. Here are a few.<BR/><BR/>1) Wages and benefits are growing faster than revenue. <BR/><BR/>2) The current step system drives number 1.<BR/><BR/>3) Increasing benefit costs drive number 1.<BR/><BR/>These are cold gray Monday morning facts. No one has to like them nor accept them. They just are what they are. Facts.<BR/><BR/>So what to do? From some posts here I ask the following.<BR/><BR/>Could it be that the Constitution, due process, and contracts just get in the way? Would a dictator help?<BR/><BR/>Sorry folks but it won't be easy to get any reasonable contracts EVER with this stuff. Especially when the rhetoric is so insulting and inflammatory. From ALL of you.<BR/><BR/>It is just making everything more difficult.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Read the Eccentric piece today that was written for the Macinac Center. It is a great piece about fixing things and NOT expecting the politicians to do it for us. <BR/><BR/>So as Tigger would say. TTFN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-26993501271526799752008-08-14T21:53:00.000-05:002008-08-14T21:53:00.000-05:00So if I take some Prozac...I'll start using word c...So if I take some Prozac...I'll start using word choices like "deadbeats" when referring to teachers? No thanks. I'll stick with my beer and the occasional glass of merlot ;) <BR/><BR/>Hey, Mike is already on record that a vast majority of teachers are stellar. Couple that with the $13 billion and I'm sure you and Mike could agree that there's enough to fund BOTH this number-crunching thingy and due process for the few teachers that need a fair hearing when accused of something. <BR/><BR/>See? We can all agree. And we've reached this hand-holding only 8 posts in this time. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-55392837131589542282008-08-13T23:06:00.000-05:002008-08-13T23:06:00.000-05:00A little Prozac goes a long way, Bill.A little Prozac goes a long way, Bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-15341419358936088572008-08-13T19:21:00.000-05:002008-08-13T19:21:00.000-05:00Er, we do fund our own due process. It's called un...Er, we do fund our own due process. It's called union dues. <BR/><BR/>But your word choice speaks volumes about your beliefs. Maybe we could ground up the malcontents into pet food or something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-30745397247051504452008-08-13T16:04:00.000-05:002008-08-13T16:04:00.000-05:00Major real-world distinction Bill Mill:“The extra ...Major real-world distinction Bill Mill:<BR/><BR/>“The extra dough to churn numerical data” serves students, not molly-coddled "grown-ups". <BR/><BR/>Using public tax dollars to fund due process for those deadbeats who aren’t held accountable – to even minimal job performance standards – serves those deadbeats & their dues-collecting agency (which strives mightily to uphold a self-serving system that battles student achievement every step of the way).<BR/><BR/>Fund your own due process pal, and keep the public's money in the public's classrooms, churning accountability stat's every step of the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-65989671912084332802008-08-12T17:42:00.000-05:002008-08-12T17:42:00.000-05:00I should have added to the above that Mike has no ...I should have added to the above that Mike has no problem with districts spending the extra dough to churn numerical data out but he has a big problem with districts spending money to allow its human employees due process. <BR/><BR/>Nice ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-42477109291877024072008-08-12T17:40:00.000-05:002008-08-12T17:40:00.000-05:00I agree this appears to be a Constitutional questi...I agree this appears to be a Constitutional question, but I must point out a contradiction I see in Mike's viewpoint.<BR/><BR/>A couple of weeks ago, he lamented (rather loudly) about how much money due process cost vis-a-vis getting rid of a tenured teacher. Now districts are being told they must provide data (which nobody is questioning the merits of) but not expect any fiscal help in doing so. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, to me those two viewpoints are contradictory, Mike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-75364322116807582662008-08-11T13:49:00.000-05:002008-08-11T13:49:00.000-05:00Is everyone missing the point? We are not arguing ...Is everyone missing the point? We are not arguing funding here, we are arguing the State Constitution. Yes it is the State's obligation to pay for what it mandates. Making exceptions or looking the other way defeats the purpose of the language.<BR/><BR/>This does not just apply to education . It applies to all units of local government. Every time we allow them to suspend the constitution we jeopardies the whole constitution. These people can not often be trusted.<BR/><BR/>Rose Bogaert, Chair<BR/>Wayne County Taxpayers Association.WCTaxpayershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04943559327160328468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4526659937118816707.post-44114065346511466552008-08-11T07:46:00.000-05:002008-08-11T07:46:00.000-05:00In this case, the money should not be the issue at...In this case, the money should not be the issue at hand for those who oppose a full day for kindergarten.<BR/><BR/>The soft squishy side of me may be showing, but I personally feel kindergarten is a transitive time, in a child's life when he/she begins socially acclimating to large numbers of other children. The separation from the parents or primary caregivers for extended periods might provide enough discomfort, that any gains in education could be overcome by the distraction of that discomfort.<BR/><BR/>As for the funding? It drives home the point that there will never be enough money for some. If funding were somehow magically to increase to the writer's "full day" status, reverting back to a half day (if the plan showed to be a failure) wouldn't necessarily result in reduced costs.Jason Gillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08936369955945345359noreply@blogger.com